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Re: Class Racials

Postby hotfizzle » Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:45 pm

dark_knight_kain wrote:I mean shouldn't using a class costume from a different class undermine the very definition of the word class costume?



Just a fun counter argument, the word you should underline is costume, not class. Costumes make you look like a class that you might not actually be. :D

Anyway, good luck with your suggestion.
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Re: Class Racials

Postby garfield83 » Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:00 pm

they havn't even changed racial skills in this site lol [ Game - Classes ]

still from 2 years ago
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Re: Class Racials

Postby citizenkane_ » Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:38 am

rondow wrote:I would love to have an area knockdown instead of an area fear. Kind of forces Orc Brutes to be DPS'ers and Kanian Champs tanks somewhat because of that. :)
But yea, both of those racials are much better than most other racials.

Actually the Orc Brute racial is amazing for tanking... it's like our own mini-caltrops...

The Kanian Champion racial used to have a really nice synergy with Jagged Slice, but no longer :( But it's still nice in PvP.

The Gibberling warrior racial is the real tank racial. Lol deeblok.
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Re: Class Racials

Postby blompp » Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:29 am

citizenkane_ wrote:
rondow wrote:I would love to have an area knockdown instead of an area fear. Kind of forces Orc Brutes to be DPS'ers and Kanian Champs tanks somewhat because of that. :)
But yea, both of those racials are much better than most other racials.

Actually the Orc Brute racial is amazing for tanking... it's like our own mini-caltrops...

The Kanian Champion racial used to have a really nice synergy with Jagged Slice, but no longer :( But it's still nice in PvP.

The Gibberling warrior racial is the real tank racial. Lol deeblok.

Kanian Champion racial sucks balls in almost every situation but getting people off things... like flags in WH, chests in AoD, or cannons in AC (the last one is farfetched, you have to be real desperate and lucky for the attackers not to still take the cannon after your crappy little fear). Plus, some classes can still do stuff while feared (pallies can still clear barriers, healers can still holy shield...etc.), so it's really not great by any stretch in PvP. In addition when you fear, you have to chase after your target and that's really not what a warrior wants at the end of the day. We'd rather an offensive racial as opposed to defensive. It's just completely obvious that AoE KD > AoE Fear by a LONG shot.

It's also rather useful for resetting mobs and bosses (pirate boss in Dark Carnival) and pissing your astral party off :roll:.

3 min cooldown is hateful too. Wtb scout 40s racial cooldown.
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Re: Class Racials

Postby hulokeruli » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:16 am

Elf summoner racial should have its cooldown reduced to 40s or make it much more powerful to justify its cooldown. Right now, it is useless in most situations.
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Re: Class Racials

Postby arisenpanda » Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:02 pm

dark_knight_kain wrote:
hotfizzle wrote:Wouldn't using a racial skill from a different race undermine the very definition of the word racial skill?

I don't mind balancing them out, and I'm all for that. But switching them? :lol:


I would think a CS item that would allow the option of choosing one of the possible class racials within a particular archetype will open up PvP and allow builds to diversify a bit. It would be a popular CS item and a source of income for Gpotato, while offering players another way to customize their toons.

I mean shouldn't using a class costume from a different class undermine the very definition of the word class costume?

Reincarnation and Progenitor shared skills already opens up more skill customization and takes down some barriers between archetypes, I merely want to see the same thing happen between classes and their racial skills.

You're comparing a vanity, that can harmlessly be available to anyone, with a mechanic that affects players. Right now, the only way this game can say it has 32 archetypes is that each archetype has different racial. If all racials were available to all races in a way, this defeats the purpose of the archetype system.

However, I would love the racials to be balanced and expanded upon. There should be more diversity between an elven paladin and an orc reaver. One skill just doesn't cut it.
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Re: Class Racials

Postby frooltace » Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:30 pm

Need to add in a RoM-like multi-class skill system based on prognator and reinc classes.

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Re: Class Racials

Postby rondow » Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:58 pm

I find the Kanian champ racial indeed useless for me. All I do is chase most classes while they kite me nonstop till I'm pew-pew'd to death. Jagged + that fear racial is nowhere even close to the damage my agonizing + knockdown does... Bit I rarely am able to do that using a 2h, because of the energy consumption. Don't get it wrong aoe fear is overpowered as well, but it's useless for a warrior with a build like mine. :|
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Re: Class Racials

Postby therealskypirate » Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:07 am

rondow wrote:I find the Kanian champ racial indeed useless for me. All I do is chase most classes while they kite me nonstop till I'm pew-pew'd to death. Jagged + that fear racial is nowhere even close to the damage my agonizing + knockdown does... Bit I rarely am able to do that using a 2h, because of the energy consumption. Don't get it wrong aoe fear is overpowered as well, but it's useless for a warrior with a build like mine. :|



From an empires perspective I find kanian warrior racial the most annoying in the game.
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Re: Class Racials

Postby rondow » Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:14 pm

therealskypirate wrote:From an empires perspective I find kanian warrior racial the most annoying in the game.

It definetely is annoying, but as I said, I would rather deal damage then run after people and end up dead without even getting to the player I'm trying to kill. :lol:
Also, "Hasty Retreat" skill has to be the most useless skill a warrior would ever put on his skillbar. I find it only good for in-combat racing. :roll: I mean yes it does have it's up's and down's, but I would rather have a summoner's anti-aggro skill. :)
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