Warriors Desperately Need a Change

[blompp]

Pretty sure Bubba still uses Nightstrike Talismen for PvP in WH

It's a luxury the vast majority of warriors don't have and will never be able to get.

[artocys]

Pretty sure Bubba still uses Nightstrike Talismen for PvP in WH

Yeah, I pretty much always use my nightstrike in pvp. It's nice being able to not only close the gap between kiters with a stun ready, but also teleport to an enemy 40 yds away if you get locked down by a few ppl in one spot..

Sometimes it's kinda annoying tho, cus it ports you and changes the direction you're facing sometimes.

Yeah I noticed this. Sometimes I teleport and my back is facing my target. Pretty annoying.

[blompp]

You guys seen that they're changing the warrior tree right?

Don't get your hopes up - they make Solid Defenses further away and give us rubies that increase the duration of Jagged Slice for 1, 2 and 3 seconds for each ruby after a "finishing blow" or something. Given that JS ticks for barely anything these days, not sure spending 3 rubies for 3 extra seconds of JS is worth it.

[citizenkane_]

Wow, this is the most interesting thread I've seen in a while. I just finished reading every single sentence of every single post.

I'll write a more complete response later, when I have more time, but for now I'll leave you guys with a few thoughts thoughts:

• First, @OP, melee scouts are extremely easy for an equal-gear warrior to kill. They do us the favor of staying within melee range at all times! Sure, they have anti CC rubies and agility rubies etc... but if you're quick enough to KD them and get a big hit off, they're done. Orc racial makes this easy. They're super squishy. I fear ranged scouts a lot more.
• Second, warriors are the class which has been changed the least since the beginning of this game. Sure, our ruby grids are a total cluster-I have a potty mouth. But we've remained relatively untouched and strong every single patch. Sure, you might like a change, but be careful what you wish for... I'd rather remain untouched and a bit weird than get owned like paladins.
• Third, skilled / geared warriors can top both single-target DPS and AOE-dps meters. Warriors smash AOE dps, and on Ascendancy raid boss DPS meters, we're frequently at the top.
• Finally, in PvP we absolutely wreck many other classes. Sure, we might lose 1v1s against a Bard, Warden, or maybe a mage. But in mass PvP I believe we're one of the top classes. We're tankey, have anti-cc rubies, and hit like a truck. I have no reinc skill, and no nightstrike talisman, and I don't fear any class in PvP except Bards and Wardens with Nature's Grip.

You guys brought up a lot of valid points - especially artocys and rezardi. I guess our class has been hurt a lot over the past couple patches, but we're still strong.

Also, a lot of problems are solved by a good reinc skill. I'm working on the scout teleport right now because it suits my play-style, but I imagine that Paladin charge (has a nice kd) and TK-Pull (stun+kd) would be better. Having another gap-closer is invaluable for us in PvP.

[_bubbakeg]

You guys seen that they're changing the warrior tree right?

Don't get your hopes up - they make Solid Defenses further away and give us rubies that increase the duration of Jagged Slice for 1, 2 and 3 seconds for each ruby after a "finishing blow" or something. Given that JS ticks for barely anything these days, not sure spending 3 rubies for 3 extra seconds of JS is worth it.

JS is still very good for pve dps. If you get 3 extra seconds, that means 3 extra ticks I'm assuming.. There are 9 total JS ticks currently, so if there would be 12.. that'd be 33% more damage from one JS.

[artocys]

Wow, this is the most interesting thread I've seen in a while. I just finished reading every single sentence of every single post.

I'll write a more complete response later, when I have more time, but for now I'll leave you guys with a few thoughts thoughts:

• First, @OP, melee scouts are extremely easy for an equal-gear warrior to kill. They do us the favor of staying within melee range at all times! Sure, they have anti CC rubies and agility rubies etc... but if you're quick enough to KD them and get a big hit off, they're done. Orc racial makes this easy. They're super squishy. I fear ranged scouts a lot more.
• Second, warriors are the class which has been changed the least since the beginning of this game. Sure, our ruby grids are a total cluster-I have a potty mouth. But we've remained relatively untouched and strong every single patch. Sure, you might like a change, but be careful what you wish for... I'd rather remain untouched and a bit weird than get owned like paladins.
• Third, skilled / geared warriors can top both single-target DPS and AOE-dps meters. Warriors smash AOE dps, and on Ascendancy raid boss DPS meters, we're frequently at the top.
• Finally, in PvP we absolutely wreck many other classes. Sure, we might lose 1v1s against a Bard, Warden, or maybe a mage. But in mass PvP I believe we're one of the top classes. We're tankey, have anti-cc rubies, and hit like a truck. I have no reinc skill, and no nightstrike talisman, and I don't fear any class in PvP except Bards and Wardens with Nature's Grip.

You guys brought up a lot of valid points - especially artocys and rezardi. I guess our class has been hurt a lot over the past couple patches, but we're still strong.

Also, a lot of problems are solved by a good reinc skill. I'm working on the scout teleport right now because it suits my play-style, but I imagine that Paladin charge (has a nice kd) and TK-Pull (stun+kd) would be better. Having another gap-closer is invaluable for us in PvP.

I started a pally reinc for soj but then I realized that soj doesn't give CA so I'm thinking about scout or psi.

[citizenkane_]

I think a scout reinc is amazing for an Orc - it has a 20s cooldown, and we can chain it with Orc racial to lock them down. We can use it to jump over Grip, or Caltrops, or to get out of a tough situation in a flash (pardon the pun).

The weakness of the Scout reinc skill is that it doesn't have a CC attached to it, and it puts you behind somebody who is running away from you. With lag, they'll probably be outside of hit range even after you teleport if they're running away But ya, I'm working on my scout reinc

Scout reinc suite my play-style, but most players will probably find that a Psi reinc is a lot stronger.

[artocys]

Whats the energy cost of the scout skill?

[citizenkane_]

Whats the energy cost of the scout skill?

I'm not sure - but you can ask Alba, she has it already.

Back on topic:

One thing I've noticed is that I hear non-Ascendancy warriors complain about our class being weak, but rarely hear complaints from within our guild. I'm sure this will sound conceded and boastful, and I apologize for that ahead of time.

I've never encountered any other warriors who compare to Ascendancy's A.B.C (Artocys, Blesnar, and Citizenkane), except perhaps Bubbakeg and Rezardi.

I can't speak for Bubba and Rezardi, but the advantage Arto, Bles, and I have is the fact that we can discuss our class with each other. I've learned valuable tips and tricks from both Arto and Bles, and I'd like to think that I've taught them a thing or two at some point as well. Having three dedicated players unravel the deepest secrets and mysteries of our class has improved our game quite a lot.

That combined with good gear, runes, and voice-communication during mass PvP, and warriors feel extremely storng - OP even.

[mushchi01]

You guys seen that they're changing the warrior tree right?

Don't get your hopes up - they make Solid Defenses further away and give us rubies that increase the duration of Jagged Slice for 1, 2 and 3 seconds for each ruby after a "finishing blow" or something. Given that JS ticks for barely anything these days, not sure spending 3 rubies for 3 extra seconds of JS is worth it.

Finishing blow is actually agonazing. so if u have js and smack an agonizing, you get extra 3 sec of js.