Cross-Faction Reincarnations

[sarturos]

Good Morning, Afternoon or Evening to that whom it applies.

I was musing over the ideas, basics and limitations of the Reincarnation system, and was actually curious...

Why isn't the option to reincarnate to the other faction a possibility?

Here's a list to detail the reasons why it may be an idea to consider:

Pros:

1) Freedom to pursue what the other faction has to offer without losing progress on your account by starting over anew.

2) Freedom for a better dynamic control of the population by the people, for the people.

3) Freedom to move where friends might be.

4) Freedom of choice to reincarnate as a different race for the same benefit. (E.g. Main on Empire, want to Reincarnate for the skills, don't like race choices for the class you want to reincarnate as)

5) Freedom to move between factions to prove unbiased nature and without losing character progression. (Be it Astral Scholars or Community-Oriented people alike!)

Now of course, with any idea comes the complications of what would be considered as a poor thought.

Con(s) (and solution(s)):

Problem: Drama.

Of course, this is probably the biggest contender to why there probably aren't cross-faction reincarnations (Henceforth dubbed: CFR). Kill someone on your Main, log over to your fresh reincarnation to gloat about it and harass them for it, and all that nasty stuff.

Perhaps you're doing something on your League main and JohnnyBGood (also on the League side) is causin' all sorts of trouble for your grinding area while you're trying to make gold. Time to swap over to that CFR and teach him some manners!

Solution:

Add a cool-down timer to swapping between your CFR and any other character you own under the same progenitor. Say, 15-30 minute swap-lock?

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Of course, if this were to be implemented, the same current locks would apply. (E.g. reincarnating as a class you have already reincarnated as or is similar to your progenitor) Nothing would change regarding allowing factions to talk with one another in Zone chat or any of the like. The suggestion is simply meant (and based) solely off the opportunity to Reincarnate on the other side.

Now, maybe it's just me, but I honestly can't see any other repercussions to having CFRs. Any problems and solutions can be posted by you (the Community) so that we can stomp out the oppression and bring on new change for the better.

I'll appropriately edit the Cons list, (or the pros list, if anyone can come up with additional reasons why it'd be a good idea) accordingly so we can present a good and solid, valid suggestion for them to implement.

So what's your opinion?

[therealskypirate]

*que lights*

If you are not For the Empire then You are Dead.

But in all Seriousness wouldn't be a bad idea at all.

[arisenpanda]

I do not want that, but maybe it's me.

They need to remove league/imp auction house to make it work. Otherwise people would just exploit it.

They need to remove chatting restrictions between the two factions, because nobody stops a dude from reincarnating and harassing me for 15-20 minutes, not only verbally, then continuing on with their day. I love chat restrictions, because ingame I do not care at all about what Ligs have to say when they die. People will just exploit that as well. In other regions as far as I know, players can't make characters in both factions on the same account on the same server. Many games do not allow that, with a good reason - to prevent exploits.

3rd - it will bring the reinc problem to a whole new level. Entry-level pvp is a big issue as it is, no need to make it worse.


I wouldn't mind though, the ability to... rebirth in the other faction - you keep all your itemshop stuff, but start at level four in the other faction, but your previous toon is gone. Even for the same faction it would work, there are people who want to reroll and don't do it because of their itemshop things.

[axarion]

I like the idea. And I already wanted to suggest combined AH and atleast zonechat with the enemy faction. I see no reason not being able to even talk to your enemy.

Also the PvP seems to stop for some time anyway after Asee. It's more like coexistance instead of being enemies anyway :/ Yesterday I saved some Imps [I Have a Potty Mouth] by killing some mobs that nearly killed him. So why not allow us to communicate?

[sarturos]

I do not want that, but maybe it's me.

They need to remove league/imp auction house to make it work. Otherwise people would just exploit it.

I'm not sure how economics would play into it.

They need to remove chatting restrictions between the two factions, because nobody stops a dude from reincarnating and harassing me for 15-20 minutes, not only verbally, then continuing on with their day. I love chat restrictions, because ingame I do not care at all about what Ligs have to say when they die. People will just exploit that as well. In other regions as far as I know, players can't make characters in both factions on the same account on the same server. Many games do not allow that, with a good reason - to prevent exploits.

There's no form of exploitation that could come from it. And there's already nothing stopping XxXXxSepirothXxxXX from signing into his level 1 character to harass you none the same.

I do agree with chat restrictions though. Factions should not be able to communicate with the other Faction (in-game) under any circumstance. That being said, CFRs would have no play or detriment to the chatting restrictions.

3rd - it will bring the reinc problem to a whole new level. Entry-level pvp is a big issue as it is, no need to make it worse.

I don't see the issue here, either. People will always have the option to make Reincarnations already. Making one for the other faction has zero bearing on increasing the competitive nature Asee-Teph already goes through.

I wouldn't mind though, the ability to... rebirth in the other faction - you keep all your itemshop stuff, but start at level four in the other faction, but your previous toon is gone. Even for the same faction it would work, there are people who want to reroll and don't do it because of their itemshop things.

That's the equivalent of a Faction change without paying for it. Completely destroying your progenitor (or 1st Reincarnation) in the process is not something everyone might want to do. As such, that might be too much of a harsh penalty for simply wanting to Reincarnate on the other side.

[sarturos]

I like the idea. And I already wanted to suggest combined AH and atleast zonechat with the enemy faction. I see no reason not being able to even talk to your enemy.

Also the PvP seems to stop for some time anyway after Asee. It's more like coexistance instead of being enemies anyway :/ Yesterday I saved some Imps [I Have a Potty Mouth] by killing some mobs that nearly killed him. So why not allow us to communicate?

Just because you managed to be friendly with the other faction, does not mean everyone reacts the same. Faction v. Faction is meant to stay that way, and there shouldn't be any alleviation from it.

[arisenpanda]

I am working on a suggestion about.. "spies", which would allow a character to go the other faction and experience, under a far greater thrill than just rerolling under the enemy flag, and it will also be entertaining for members of that enemy faction to unmask spies. I am still thinking on it, though.

[deaderaco]

I love that idea arisenpanda.

Perhaps a player could become a spy, for example I decide to spy on the Empire with my elf. So I drink some potion to look like a Xadaganian, and I can do quests inside the Empire. However to gain all the experience from these quests I have to safely complete them and return to the League in one piece.

Meanwhile, the Empire players could have 'detectives' of some sort who have buffs or abilities to detect spies. Then they can reveal them for the spy they truly are, at which point the entire Empire goes hostile and the spy has to try and escape alive.

idk just running with the idea

Back to the original post, I also like that idea. I tried rolling a couple toons on the Empire but it was too boring since I didn't have all my bonuses.

[killeranupam]

i have to agree with the idea...you basically replay the entire game just that you're a bit more OP this time,instead of doing that,

you can play as the opposing faction and experience the game to the fullest extent.


i /sign the idea cuz i wanna see how the imperial quests are..

[aaaawesome]

i think this idea would be incredibly fun!