Wisdom/perception

[providence235]

Wisdom only needs to be around the increasing rate which is around 520ish.

Care to elaborate?

Did you actually test it out? Before, when i ran with 530 wis(all other stats being pretty much the same as i posted before), i would crit for ~120k on weaker targets, but on stuff like the Harbringers of Nightmare on TDCarnival, the top damage would cap at 70k, or so. Then i increased wisdom up to 580-610 and the top damage would be the same as on weaker targets. Wisdom = = = Finesse now for casters.

It was(and still is) the same for melee classes. If you had too low finesse, your damage would be next to nothing against high armor targets/players. Having been pvpìng against players as a full tank and getting close to no damage from other melee players, i can confirm this.

Every single mage/summy caster I know right now has capped their wisdom when it's at "increase." I've tested it and the damage increase is negligible. Your damage will vary with different mobs just because of the fact they have different elemental resist/end stats. Wisdom is indeed equal to finesse, however it is not as crucial on casters as it is on melee classes. During last Saturday against asc, I was hitting many of the warriors for well over 150k with comet and my wisdom was around 530 which is probably % increase by 1-2.

stopping your wisdom as soon as it hits positive is stupid and i'll tell you why

this was my previous dps build:
http://www.allodsbase.com/calc#a60x2k6u ... 3oq0bull40

worked perfectly, was doing 60-90k dps in a4 with my level 5 runes. though, my wisdom was at -7%, my int was 49.9%.

i decided i'll switch my patron over from int to wisdom, and the dps increase was immense. so much so, that i went and changed to this:

http://www.allodsbase.com/calc#a60x2k6u ... 3oq0buk500

rose from 60-90k to about 90-120k. i'm now with only +30% int and have +26% wisdom, and my dps is incredibly higher. if my perc was higher, my dps would be over 200k.

Your argument is invalid because of the fact you're comparing two completely different statistics. Your sudden spike in DPS was because you managed to increase your wisdom to so that it increases instead of decreasing. Boosting it up to +26% is a complete waste of points. Keeping it at 520ish then boosting your int is the way to go. There is no way your DPS can surpass the 200k DPS mark if you're talking about pure single target unless you got lucky with upgrades and managed to get a leggy a4 wand or somehow managed to unlock lead2 before all of us.

[dadazem]

habalopi ,


I have tested your experiment too. Changed the patron from Int to Wisdom and my damage went down.

I even used Augur potion +60 for perception and still my damage was lower.
So I turned back to Intelligence and my Icy comet is now 140k in WH.

that is not too good, but still ok for now.

Thanks

[providence235]

If you want decent DPS, keep luck at around 50-60%, wisdom at around 520-530. Perc at around 700. Pump rest into int.

[weevilofdoom]

If you want decent DPS, keep luck at around 50-60%, wisdom at around 520-530. Perc at around 700. Pump rest into int.

Nearly agreed. Just a bit higher than that (few points in each sufficient).. at 812 lucks, 784ints, 531wis, and 710percs, epic l4 wand + relic wand I really can hit near 200k single target provided I don't pull aggro.. that's obviously a perfect scenario

I average probably 140-170 when other factors are put into play (entropy rotation, aggro, fear etc etc)

[habalopi]

Your argument is invalid because of the fact you're comparing two completely different statistics. Your sudden spike in DPS was because you managed to increase your wisdom to so that it increases instead of decreasing. Boosting it up to +26% is a complete waste of points. Keeping it at 520ish then boosting your int is the way to go. There is no way your DPS can surpass the 200k DPS mark if you're talking about pure single target unless you got lucky with upgrades and managed to get a leggy a4 wand or somehow managed to unlock lead2 before all of us.

if i leave my wisdom low, and balance my perc(around 750, still only 18%) a little, my dps is worse. my damage drops significantly. sure, i don't resist nearly as much, but i still hit much lower.

changing -7% wisdom to +1% wisdom isn't going to make my max spike my new min spike. especially when i drop +20% damage to do it.

[providence235]

Your argument is invalid because of the fact you're comparing two completely different statistics. Your sudden spike in DPS was because you managed to increase your wisdom to so that it increases instead of decreasing. Boosting it up to +26% is a complete waste of points. Keeping it at 520ish then boosting your int is the way to go. There is no way your DPS can surpass the 200k DPS mark if you're talking about pure single target unless you got lucky with upgrades and managed to get a leggy a4 wand or somehow managed to unlock lead2 before all of us.

if i leave my wisdom low, and balance my perc(around 750, still only 18%) a little, my dps is worse. my damage drops significantly. sure, i don't resist nearly as much, but i still hit much lower.

changing -7% wisdom to +1% wisdom isn't going to make my max spike my new min spike. especially when i drop +20% damage to do it.

I think you're taking the tooltips in the game a little bit too seriously. The tooltips in Allods act more of a guideline. You have to do the actual testing yourself. I hit well over 450k with my comets in Glacial Chamber and Astral Retreat. I don't know why you're saying wisdom needs to be high. Until you can prove that pumping wisdom is the way to go, and so far everyone I know in game seems to be pumping everything into int.

Perception doesn't need to be at the 750 mark. Mine's currently sitting at 730 and that's only because I have 4 a4 epics that give a crazy amount of perc.

[habalopi]

because the tooltips tell me my dps, right?

let me tell you this a bit slower

>drop 15% of my int
>gain wisdom
>dps raises drastically
>drop more int
>gain more wisdom
>dps raises even more

if what you say is true, then by dropping from about 50% int down to 30% for wisdom, my damage shouldn't have surpassed what i previously was doing.

int is a multiplier for your skill damage
wisdom is a multiplier for your int against your enemies agility

[vietsorcerer]

ok let me tell you what my experience. I dont know if you guys have the same experience. If whenever, i put my patron on wisdom to bring it from "decrease" to "increase", my dps is definitely increased. But the amount of increasing is so varying depend on how much of increasing. For example, if i try to get my wisdom to increase by 8%, my Ice Comet dmg increase from 120k to nearly 140k. However, if i get wisdom any higher than that, my Ice Comet dmg is still the same or increase an amount of very minimal. From my point of view, i believe wisdom has certain cap where wisdom starts to loose its affect. Definitely, pumping int is always the path to go. I dont really know how they calculate wisdom into dmg especially between pvp & pve.

One more thing im still confusing is i dont know why every of my spell dmg is resist from 30-50%. (double check through combat log) even though my perception is very high at 876 whic is 14% chance of being resisted. And it even get more resisted in pvp. A4 boss resist like 50% of my dmg. ALL my spells never gets its full dmg as it's in tooltip. My Frostbolt even hits as low as 9k only ([I Have a Potty Mouth]) or only half dmg when the tooltip is saying Frostbolt dmg is 47k. I have no idea. Is there any way that i can reduce the amount of resist from my enemy? The new stat system has me headache since its release

[ivysweep]

HAHAHA 9k frostbolt HAHAHA

on the serious note, i have 25% getting resisted and doing fine. O-o

[alkyn_]

HAHAHA 9k frostbolt HAHAHA

on the serious note, i have 25% getting resisted and doing fine. O-o

The resist heavily depends on the mob/player. A4 bosses resist a lot when you're above 20% perc. The best geared/runed people in PVP resist a lot, but I still find 20 % as OK for my perc?