The prerequisites to the Astral Layer 4 :

[xxxdrackosxxx]

Im 100% sure first sectors can be done with lv 1 runes and cradle gear or worse.

Many people dont rember allods pre gipat and cant really compare pre gipat heroics with current content. Back then we did heroics with lv 36 / 38 blue gear because not many people had ships. Almost no one bothered to buy anything in item shop so we had lv1-3 runes and no elixirs. People use to cc 2 mobs (full cc psi to do heroics ftw) in 3 trash mobs pulls and killed trash one by one ! Every dungeon that couldnt be bugged was super hard without astral epics / legends. A single trash mob would kill tank in rep gear in just a few hits and yet people were able to complete dungeons from time to time.


Ofc today people just aoe everything on every allod and if they fail they say party is too weak / runes to low / allods is p2w etc .

Please, tell me how you can be 100% sure of something that has never been experienced .

Citizanekane, some news about your try to confirm one of my hypotheses ?

[lexelas]

Please, tell me how you can be 100% sure of something that has never been experienced .

Citizanekane, some news about your try to confirm one of my hypotheses ?

Did you read what i wrote ? We completed harder dungeons already. The only difference between now and then is attitude. Doing layer 4 allod for 1h30m is unacceptable to most players but back then doing oreshek for 1h30m was fun and ok especially when you get epic you wanted.

[rozetri]

Please, tell me how you can be 100% sure of something that has never been experienced .

Citizanekane, some news about your try to confirm one of my hypotheses ?

Did you read what i wrote ? We completed harder dungeons already. The only difference between now and then is attitude. Doing layer 4 allod for 1h30m is unacceptable to most players but back then doing oreshek for 1h30m was fun and ok especially when you get epic you wanted.

I remember those days. All anyone talked about was how to get dungeons completed with X bug. Couldn't do the bug or one wasn't present? People got real nervous real fast. But you could still get them done, it just took a while. Doing CB over and over again, we kept thinking how great it was that we actually managed to pare our time down to an hour per run. People were rumored to be able to do it in 45m, but nobody believed it!

Where there is a will, there is usually a way. It's a matter of skill, but most of all a matter of effort and patience.

[frooltace]

inb4 nayrb's rant about 8 hr long heroic xaes days

[citizenkane_]

Sorry, I haven't attempted your challenge yet. I'll try to set aside one of this week's keys for it.

[xxxdrackosxxx]

Sorry, I haven't attempted your challenge yet. I'll try to set aside one of this week's keys for it.

Thanks, that's really gentle, thanks a lot.

Did you read what i wrote ? We completed harder dungeons already. The only difference between now and then is attitude. Doing layer 4 allod for 1h30m is unacceptable to most players but back then doing oreshek for 1h30m was fun and ok especially when you get epic you wanted.

Yes, I've read well, you've done heroics.
So yes, you have never experienced A4 with the same conditions. In other words, I've killed your certitude.

[arc_avenger]

You won't be able to finish any allod with 20-30K dps, with cradle gear and at least lvl 4 runes you should be putting at least 50K overall dps (aoe+single target).
The people you are probably with a wrong build, have a bad skill rotation or have really unbalanced stats.

@Alon
I have completed before An allod with the group having players of 30k dps or lower and with me being the only one anything above that(ive had even somebody with 13kdps and heard theres been lower >.>)

I'm not sure what rune Sets (most definatly saw some 3's and 4's) they had but I do remember craddle/green gear.

Of course like someone had stated it did take us many attempts and fails but the allod was cleared within 2hours+

But it is possible through much hard work and how much ppl are willing to commit. when pugging around Ive had ppl instantly want to give up on the first pull while being wiped by the skeletons in s3 =/. So it takes time but its possible.

[xxxdrackosxxx]

You won't be able to finish any allod with 20-30K dps, with cradle gear and at least lvl 4 runes you should be putting at least 50K overall dps (aoe+single target).
The people you are probably with a wrong build, have a bad skill rotation or have really unbalanced stats.

@Alon
I have completed before An allod with the group having players of 30k dps or lower and with me being the only one anything above that(ive had even somebody with 13kdps and heard theres been lower >.>)

I'm not sure what rune Sets (most definatly saw some 3's and 4's) they had but I do remember craddle/green gear.

Of course like someone had stated it did take us many attempts and fails but the allod was cleared within 2hours+

But it is possible through much hard work and how much ppl are willing to commit. when pugging around Ive had ppl instantly want to give up on the first pull while being wiped by the skeletons in s3 =/. So it takes time but its possible.

Well if it took 2hours to do it with 3's and 4's and cradlle gear...that means it's really impossible to make with level 1 runes.

(I guess I am right since kane never refuses a hardcore challenge, however, he couldn't made it and prefers to act like he forgot xD).

[co_cain_e]

(I guess I am right since kane never refuses a hardcore challenge, however, he couldn't made it and prefers to act like he forgot xD).

Relax he didn't forget nor is he pretending to forget, you're not the only one he's tending to

[citizenkane_]

(I guess I am right since kane never refuses a hardcore challenge, however, he couldn't made it and prefers to act like he forgot xD).

Hey I'm not pretending like I forgot! It's only been a couple days, and I've only just finished my keys!

I'm been on vacation and didn't have time to put together a full party of Ascendancy members in cradle rep gear with level 1 runes. I could have pugged a group, but that would have defeated the purpose of the challenge. I want to test the ability of players I know are 100% competent. Not many people are keen to waste keys in sectors they don't need - we're all busy in sectors which are significantly harder.

So instead of completing the challenge you asked for I decided to solo a4 instead. The video is uploading now