Some Thoughts and Things to consider this days

[joseh2r]

He clearly didnt read a single line of what many people posted here, hes just trying to change the path of this thread and troll, theres always 1 in all threads so lets keep discussing like mature and smart people.

[guurix]

He clearly didnt read a single line of what many people posted here, hes just trying to change the path of this thread and troll, theres always 1 in all threads so lets keep discussing like mature and smart people.

So this is what we're doing now? Calling someone a troll who actually paid attention to the events leading up to the soon to be patch and bluntly pointed out SOME of the reasons behind many players current frustrations ?

Ok if i came off as a troll, i sincerely apologize to everyone in this thread.

However i walk away with a deeper understanding as to what the GMs have to go through...smhl.

[joseh2r]

Two people that I know have been playing this game for a very long time. One of which was a high paying costumer, the other which (I believe) was for the most part free to play, have just recently quit the game.

One's reasoning was:
"I just can't keep up with the grinding anymore, I have to farm for 3+ hours a day to keep up with upgrading, uncursing, elixir, etc. I just can't do it anymore, it's taken the fun out of the game for me."

^Free to play

The second's reasoning was:
"This game is costing me a lot of money and way too much time. I need to start getting my life back on track and avoiding this money pit. I love the game so much, but to keep up, it's eating too much money and time to continue on."

^ Paid to play

Not much difference in opinions on how the game is going. It's unfortunate, but I can't agree more with the basis of their message.

I think this sum up whats going on in the game right now.

[joseh2r]

Maybe i started this thread the wrong way, cos it does sound like complains about the new server, thats not the what i meant, i couldnt care less about the new server cos i aint playing there, i care about the server we have right now and a lot of things that can be change and make the gaming experience in Yul server more enjoyable.

ps: sorry if i call you troll but tbh there a lot of things you said that were not in discussion here. If i wanna make a new character in the new server, i can do it, we all can, is not like we are banned cos we are in Yul. Some people ask for a server merge, but not the majority, your just making an assumption based on some people posts in the forums, Nezeb server was just fine, at least the empire side. I dont want a transfer to the new server cos we already have a great community in Yul. The things im pointing here are to make everybody experience in Yul server fun, cos honestly it aint fun anymore. Servers will always be imbalanced cos this is a p2w game, what im asking is a more enjoyable experience for everybody at least in the PvE side of the game.

[gladianator]

Mainly because the game keeps making you pay more and more to progress/keep up with end game, most in the form of lottery.

I can' t remember the last time I actually had fun with allods. Instead of a fun game it now just feels like a stressfull job you HAVE to do.
I can barely work up the motivation to log in these days.

This is why I quit...
The game stopped being a game, and started feeling like a job that I had to do. I spent so much time grinding out gold and repeating astral over and over again, and as time went on I enjoyed the game less and less.

This isn't the game it used to be. The only reason I stayed so long was because of the community and my guild. If it weren't for them, I would've quit long ago. I think this is the same situation many people find themselves in at end game.

This GMs have made it clear that they intend to make this game an endless money pit that makes you either pay or punishes you if you don't. I believe that mmohut got it right in their review of Allods when they said that this game's cash shop punishes non-paying players.

[Beheaded22]

Mainly because the game keeps making you pay more and more to progress/keep up with end game, most in the form of lottery.

I can' t remember the last time I actually had fun with allods. Instead of a fun game it now just feels like a stressfull job you HAVE to do.
I can barely work up the motivation to log in these days.

This is why I quit...
The game stopped being a game, and started feeling like a job that I had to do. I spent so much time grinding out gold and repeating astral over and over again, and as time went on I enjoyed the game less and less.

This isn't the game it used to be. The only reason I stayed so long was because of the community and my guild. If it weren't for them, I would've quit long ago. I think this is the same situation many people find themselves in at end game.

This GMs have made it clear that they intend to make this game an endless money pit that makes you either pay or punishes you if you don't. I believe that mmohut got it right in their review of Allods when they said that this game's cash shop punishes non-paying players.

IM not gonna say the game isnt Pay-2-Win But really when you think of it your always paying with something? Nothing in life is FREE per-say.

If you want a nice flowing game with no Cash Shop imbalances and everything has to be earned in game your gonna be paying $15 bucks a month Or $180 a Year.. JUST TO PLAY

Now if we look at Allods. We are getting that P2P like feel for free an it only asks for money if you want to be competitive. Talking with my friends to keep up with updates and the falling economy on Yul they estimated to spend $110-130. so really what are you losing??? lol



****THIS ISNT A PERSONAL ATTACK THIS IS TOWARDS ALL PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE ITS "UNFAIR" HOW THE GAME IS*****

[joseh2r]

IM not gonna say the game isnt Pay-2-Win But really when you think of it your always paying with something? Nothing in life is FREE per-say.

If you want a nice flowing game with no Cash Shop imbalances and everything has to be earned in game your gonna be paying $15 bucks a month Or $180 a Year.. JUST TO PLAY

Now if we look at Allods. We are getting that P2P like feel for free an it only asks for money if you want to be competitive. Talking with my friends to keep up with updates and the falling economy on Yul they estimated to spend $110-130. so really what are you losing??? lol



****THIS ISNT A PERSONAL ATTACK THIS IS TOWARDS ALL PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE ITS "UNFAIR" HOW THE GAME IS*****

Even 180 dollars in allods is not enough to be competitive. What do you need to be competitive in this game? 1st good runes, full 7s or 8s at least, how many CC you need to get there? for full 7s 5154cc (2 taps to the left) how much is that in gpots? more than 10 bags of 500cc, how many gpots? 30k gpots, how much money in the end? around 300 dollars and thats just in runes and 7s.

But again we are changing the path of this thread. This is a feedback section, we are not saying if its unfair or not, we are just giving a real and honest impression about what the game have become lookig for the attention of some1, in this case GMs, to find a solution or just leave the things the way they are and see what happen in the end.
This is not about whos right or wrong, is feedback about the game, the game we all love and enjoy.

[co_cain_e]

New Server's gonna be a repeat of the Old one.

Only gonna take months or even a year before they start clearing raid dungeons and real endgame content. There is much catching up to do.

Waiting for more Strongbox Sales, waiting for more CC sales, waiting for other people to get geared up, etc.

Dunno how people see this new server as a breath of fresh air, coz in every server of any f2p game there's gonna be Cash shoppers that's gonna make the f2pers go waaaaaahhhhh or maybe even bigger CSers make smaller CSers go.

[pubescent]

The problem isn't the cash shoppers, the problem is that even the free players on YUL greatly outmatches any new players, and there are just aren't enough people who are getting to end game on YUL to form their own groups to do astral and endgame with. You are an under geared and an under runed level 51 in a sea of well geared, well runed people that you can't do astral with. A new server 'will' attract the interest of people who feel like they might be able to complete without the years of a head start that people in YUL have. It will attract more interest, meaning more undergeared people to do end game with. The only people still on YUL are the people who are able to dedicated a lot of time, a lot of money, or both.

Yes, you will have a few cash shop people that will just rofl stomp over others. That's always going to happen, but it won't be 11 of the 12 people that you are facing against in WH. When the "P2W" started on Allods, you had a few people that were just ridiculously runed up, you had a large core of people with "average runes" and another large group of people with low runes. They were all able to party up with each other without a problem.

In Yul it's rare to see anyone with below 7's, and if they are below full 7's, it's only just below. The one or two people that come in with 2/3's and are ready to work there way up to 4's,5's,6's and 7's over a long period of time can't. They aren't welcomed in Astral, they can't do anything worthwhile in WH, they are left to grind. New players do not want this. I was one of these people, and I'll flat out say that if I was new to Allods this month and saw the end game situation and where it's at, I'd have left Allods in the dust and have never thought of it again. Just the few months break I took was enough to make me feel like a newbie again without much of a playerbase to participate in. I can't imagine how the people with only level 2 or level 3 runes feel..

Avilon will bring more people into Allods, and that's a good thing for everyone. History will repeat itself. Avilon free players will become just as geared as the free players on YUL, and eventually Avilon will have trouble attracting new players. What to do then? Merge Yul and Avilon, and repeat.

TLDR: Avilon will go the way of Yul, of that I have no doubt. But before it does, it may be able to attract a larger player base to allods, and hold them there. Something that Yul has been having trouble with.

P.S. As for the discussion about the cost and time needed to stay competitive on Allods? I agree. Allods is a game that's an all or nothing in your life. You have to spend a majority of your free time on Allods or you just can't compete. You either end up completely dedicated to the game, or quitting. I quit for 2-3 months and competently regret it, because I'm finding it incredibly difficult to worm my way back in without becoming frustrated at the competition.

[joseh2r]

Avilon will bring more people into Allods, and that's a good thing for everyone. History will repeat itself. Avilon free players will become just as geared as the free players on YUL, and eventually Avilon will have trouble attracting new players. What to do then? Merge Yul and Avilon, and repeat.

+1
And people will use the new server to farm gold to buy gemshards and use it on Yul or CS players will realize they can 2x or 3x their gold and gs in Yul if they are smart enough doing business and be OP in Avilon pretty fast.
It will bring more people to take money from them when it does make a difference, in the begining, when a 1/2 or 3 bags of 500cc makes a big difference.