*4.0*- Tanked and Spanked- The Complete Warrior Guide

[samuel_]

Love your guide!

could you make a video of AoE farming aswell, puhlease? <:

[therealskypirate]

Nice guide!

[the0660]

Love your guide!

could you make a video of AoE farming aswell, puhlease? <:

I made one for you



Basic strategy is gather them up while building CA with PB/RS, then when they're all together use whirlwind. After that just spam cleave/mali blow and whirlwind.

[atraim]

Can your DPS Hybrid build tank astral? If not, is the Hybrid just for better survivability?

[jiahao08]

Can your DPS Hybrid build tank astral? If not, is the Hybrid just for better survivability?

There are A LOT of things to consider when it comes to tanking.

What's your armor/runes/average dps in aoes and single target?
Which layer of astral are you tanking?
What's the average DPS of your regular party members?
How geared is your healer? Is he/she good?

[atraim]

Very true. I am just trying to figure out in what circumstance you would want a Hybrid. I am leveling a warrior right now and so far have stuck with skills/talents that are common to both DPS and Tank. My first priority is leveling easily. But I want to be able to tank all astral layers when i get there. I have all lvl 7 runes. I have a lvl 46 healer and have seen tanks use 2h until they get to a boss. But I don't know if they are a full tank build or some sort of hybrid.

Is there a progressive tank build that can level well and still have decent end game DPS without a respec? Any constructive input is appreciated

[bununs]

does the realagrom aggro addon work for gibberling brawlers ?

[jiahao08]

Very true. I am just trying to figure out in what circumstance you would want a Hybrid. I am leveling a warrior right now and so far have stuck with skills/talents that are common to both DPS and Tank. My first priority is leveling easily. But I want to be able to tank all astral layers when i get there. I have all lvl 7 runes. I have a lvl 46 healer and have seen tanks use 2h until they get to a boss. But I don't know if they are a full tank build or some sort of hybrid.

Is there a progressive tank build that can level well and still have decent end game DPS without a respec? Any constructive input is appreciated

That build is nice since it includes the chances to block.. shield block and parry will be the most important tanking skills since the chance for you to dodge is much less than your chance to block and parry.

You can try the build out at your own risk.. if your party/gear, etc isn't good enough, then you might struggle. If you do struggle to the point where you can't survive, then you're going to need to get more tanking rubies. When astral 3 came along for my build, i respec'ed myself into a pure tank.. I got as much tanking rubies as I could. When my party and I got some more gear, I switched into a hybrid build. Warriors always need to change their build around as they gear up.

Once you get enough gear (about 3.7k armor with a 2 hander), you will be able to tank astral 2 with a full DPS build.

One thing about that hybrid build... it does not have sweeping strike/sweeping blow. Instead you are going to have to rely on whirlwind to hold agro during AOES. Whirlwind applies stacks of endless rampage which decrease your armor dramatically. If you plan on sticking with it 100%, I recommend getting atleast level 1 cleave so that you can apply those endless rampage effects quickly.

Oh.. and level 2 intimidate is a must since you're going to be undergeared.

[citizenkane_]

That build is nice since it includes the chances to block.. shield block and parry will be the most important tanking skills since the chance for you to dodge is much less than your chance to block and parry.

That's not necessarily true. I mean, yes, it's easier to get blocks, but they only avoid 50% of the damage. Dodges avoid 100% of the damage.

Also, dodge checks occur first. If the dodge check fails, the block check occurs. If the block check fails, then the parry check occurs.

Of course, the chance to block is 2x the chance to dodge, and the chance to parry is 2x the chance to block. Block only blocks 50% damage though, and parry only blocks 25%. Statistically it all kind of evens out. I prefer dodge to parry though.

One thing about that hybrid build... it does not have sweeping strike/sweeping blow. Instead you are going to have to rely on whirlwind to hold agro during AOES. Whirlwind applies stacks of endless rampage which decrease your armor dramatically. If you plan on sticking with it 100%, I recommend getting atleast level 1 cleave so that you can apply those endless rampage effects quickly.

Actually, you wouldn't want cleave. With Whirlwind, you'll get a few stacks of Endless Rampage, but not the full 25% armor loss.

Whirlwind / Endless Rampage reduce your armor, so you use Malicious Blow / Impenetrable Barrier to offset the armor loss. As you lose armor, you stack chance to block. So actually, block just might be more important than dodge. (don't ignore dodge though!)

Malicious blow is the CA-build AOE which you want to use for a hybrid tank build.

Oh.. and level 2 intimidate is a must since you're going to be undergeared.

I use and love level 2 intimidate. That said, it should be viewed as a luxury ruby for those who have GT rubies and/or strongbox rubies. You use an extra ruby getting it, and for anybody with <49 rubies, there are better rubies to spend on.

[jiahao08]

That build is nice since it includes the chances to block.. shield block and parry will be the most important tanking skills since the chance for you to dodge is much less than your chance to block and parry.

That's not necessarily true. I mean, yes, it's easier to get blocks, but they only avoid 50% of the damage. Dodges avoid 100% of the damage.

Also, dodge checks occur first. If the dodge check fails, the block check occurs. If the block check fails, then the parry check occurs.

Of course, the chance to block is 2x the chance to dodge, and the chance to parry is 2x the chance to block. Block only blocks 50% damage though, and parry only blocks 25%. Statistically it all kind of evens out. I prefer dodge to parry though.

One thing about that hybrid build... it does not have sweeping strike/sweeping blow. Instead you are going to have to rely on whirlwind to hold agro during AOES. Whirlwind applies stacks of endless rampage which decrease your armor dramatically. If you plan on sticking with it 100%, I recommend getting atleast level 1 cleave so that you can apply those endless rampage effects quickly.

Actually, you wouldn't want cleave. With Whirlwind, you'll get a few stacks of Endless Rampage, but not the full 25% armor loss.

Whirlwind / Endless Rampage reduce your armor, so you use Malicious Blow / Impenetrable Barrier to offset the armor loss. As you lose armor, you stack chance to block. So actually, block just might be more important than dodge. (don't ignore dodge though!)

Malicious blow is the CA-build AOE which you want to use for a hybrid tank build.

Oh.. and level 2 intimidate is a must since you're going to be undergeared.

I use and love level 2 intimidate. That said, it should be viewed as a luxury ruby for those who have GT rubies and/or strongbox rubies. You use an extra ruby getting it, and for anybody with <49 rubies, there are better rubies to spend on.

I didn't think about canceling out the endless rampage stacks with malicious blow.
However the chances of getting the buff from malicious blow are not 100% compared to vicious spin/whirlwind which is 100%.. so there's a risk doing things that way.


The only reason I mentioned getting cleave is because it is extremely useful in building endless rampage stacks when you actually want to have those stacks. The chances to apply endless rampage with cleave is higher when the targets already have a bleed affect compared to when the targets don't have a bleed affect. I also prefer cleave over malicious blow in pvp.. cleave just seems to have a longer range, but this may be false.


I still believe that level 2 intimidate is a must for hard aoe pulls. If somebody's having trouble holding agro on a group, they can taunt one, use provocation on the other, and focus your single target skills (with cruelty) on a 3rd mob.. This allows you to hold agro on three different mobs without having to rely on AOEs. You can even CC a 4th/5th.
If you're able to hold agro completely without r2 intimidate, or it doesn't matter if you lose agro.. then r1 is just fine.