LVL 1-20 CBT Phase II Orc Brute Guide

[asgenar]

Finesse lets you avoid a % of your targets armor. Thus increasing your physical(what warriors do -hint- -hint-) damage, which includes damage of skills.

Finesse – affects your armour penetration(%). Absolutely useless for mages.

hence why I said it doesn't boost your plain damage. Strength boosts your plain damage, while finesse lets you be able to hit that plain damage without it getting reduced by armor. The only thing that I'm not sure of is if finesse is accurately translated. Because the % tool tip about how much damage being increased is obviously false. That is why I actually truly don't know what finesse really does as of now.

also, the guy you quoted is one guy that only got to lvl 20s in the russian beta. I'm sorry, but I don't trust lvl 20s.

P.S. the starred stats for warriors are the same for scouts, hint hint.

Also, luck isn't just about having crits. There's also anti-crits that isn't explained in the luck tooltip ingame.

[soldeus]

Are you that daft?

Lets do some napkin math for you so you can leave my thread once and for all.

I was going to go and do a bunch of math to prove you wrong, but it's not worth the effort. Go look up the effects of physical damage reduction with armor on a wow forum or something troll.


Hooray edits for eachothers edits.
He gives credit to the guy that made the guide, clearly an experienced player in the translation he provides for us.

Gibbering on about anti-crits is pointless, we've already established from in-game experience and from russian forums that luck is an important stat. And when our toons have a higher cap, I'll adjust the guide accordingly, but for the time being, they don't need to focus or pump luck with stats.

[asgenar]

Are you that daft?

Lets do some napkin math for you so you can leave my thread once and for all.

I was going to go and do a bunch of math to prove you wrong, but it's not worth the effort. Go look up the effects of physical damage reduction with armor on a wow forum or something troll.

Are you blind? The only insult you have for me is troll. You have a tendency for calling people trolls when you can't beat their argument. Please, kindly point out what I have said wrong, if you can't, refrain from personal attacks as that will lead you to derailing your own thread.

Like I said, finesse doesn't increase your plain damage. That doesn't even make sense.

Edit: I must be blind, where is this guide you speak of?

[soldeus]

If you are reducing your subjects armor, it's increasing your physical damage obviously given that their physical reduction stat won't be what is actually displayed for the brutes attacks.

If that isn't increasing your base damage, please do elaborate. Because a brute with a mix of str/fin/expertise will be stronger than a brute with all str, all fin, or all expertise.

Edit: Take your own advice and use the search function, it's quite handy.

[asgenar]

If you are reducing your subjects armor, it's increasing your physical damage obviously given that their physical reduction stat won't be what is actually displayed for the brutes attacks.

If that isn't increasing your base damage, please do elaborate. Because a brute with a mix of str/fin/expertise will be stronger than a brute with all str, all fin, or all expertise.

Edit: Take your own advice and use the search function, it's quite handy.

Here are the scenarios of how finesse might work

1. as displayed in game, the amount of % of the enemy's armor that you ignore when you attack
2. The % chance that you ignore the enemy's armor, meaning it just talks about the chance of you being able to ignore opp. armor

As it is currently stated ingame, finesse, after 0%, starts increasing the amount of % of the enemy's armor that you ignore, which I find hard to believe based on the damage that I deal in correspondence that the tooltip displays.

finesse doesn't increase base damage. your strength determines your base damage and finesse just determines how much damage out of your max damage you are able to hit for after armor reduction.

Edit: I never said that all str, or all fin, or all expertise builds are better, they suck. All i'm saying is that finesse doesn't boost your plain damage.

2nd edit: w t f is "plain" damage.

[soldeus]

Lets start with what the guide says, vs what you want to try to twist to interpret to say.

The except in quotes is for a guide about Allods in general. What stats do, still following me?

useless FOR mages

Not to be construed as useless AGAINST mages

Your argument was based off of your interpretation, by all means go back to the drawing board and form up a new diabolical plan to try and squat on a thread for a class that you obviously didn't test.

In closing,

[asgenar]

Ok, I'll admit I messed up on that part. But just because of that doesn't prove my point wrong. You only pointed out my error with your quote. Meanwhile, I'll go back and erase that part. You still didn't explain how finesse increases plain damage.

[soldeus]

Let's state some things we agree on, just to make it painfully obvious for you shall we?
Armor - increases physical damage resistance
Strength - increase physical damage
Finesse - negates enemy armor by a %(whether chance or not is irrelevant for the discussion)

So, if Armor increases physical damage resistance, which is the only type of damage Brutes do besides bleeds, which is too early to test at this moment, and Finesse negates/gives a chance to negate armor directly effecting physical damage. Then having Finesse will increase your overall physical damage on any armored target.

I really don't understand whats so hard to comprehend, it was the same argument when expertise was added to WoW.

Edit: I'm all for debates, discussions and rhetoric even, but semantics is a game anyone can play and is simply a swaying of words, manipulation if you will.

[asgenar]

Let's state some things we agree on, just to make it painfully obvious for you shall we?
Armor - increases physical damage resistance
Strength - increase physical damage
Finesse - negates enemy armor by a %(whether chance or not is irrelevant for the discussion)

So, if Armor increases physical damage resistance, which is the only type of damage Brutes do besides bleeds, which is too early to test at this moment, and Finesse negates/gives a chance to negate armor directly effecting physical damage. Then having Finesse will increase your overall physical damage on any armored target.

I really don't understand whats so hard to comprehend, it was the same argument when expertise was added to WoW.

Edit: I'm all for debates, discussions and rhetoric even, but semantics is a game anyone can play and is simply a swaying of words, manipulation if you will.

like I said, finesse doesn't boost your maximum damage. It just allows you to hit more on armored targets because of the fact that you are ignoring a % of it. Strength is what determines your maximum damage before it is reduced by armor resistance. And so finesse is there to take away that armor resistance chance. That being said, it would still stand true that finesse would do nothing against mages based on the assumptions that we are now making together.(because mages have low defense and finesse is supposed to negate armor resistance % by your definition). If that is true, it would mean that finesse doesn't boost maximum damage, but just allows it to be reached.

SO, as a result, finesse doesn't boost plain damage in the way that you said it. And that is why I said it doesn't make any sense at all.

[soldeus]

Negating an armor % regardless of the armor type is never useless, and by you saying finesse reduces the targets armor for physical damage there by increasing physical damage reverts us back to my original statement. Finesse effects your maximum damage vs any and every type of armor.

Feel free to continue, I'm fairly certain after reading these posts, those with an IQ over 80 will agree with my original statement. Night Vitroll.